I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
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02-05-2008 | 04:19 PM
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I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
I want to do the Hydrogen "injection" kit just to see if it will get me better gas mileage without being a pain to maintain. I want to make my own kit when the weather breaks but I need ideas on how to make it a low maintenance thing.
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02-06-2008 | 02:39 AM
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RE: I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
Ooookay..... so anyway.
Is this like the kit you were talking about doing before that you bolt up inline with the fuel and it is supposed to like clean/treat the gasoline so it burns better and has a higher octane rating?
Is this like the kit you were talking about doing before that you bolt up inline with the fuel and it is supposed to like clean/treat the gasoline so it burns better and has a higher octane rating?
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02-06-2008 | 08:56 AM
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RE: I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
You can get bottled hydrogen, but it's really expensive (and I think you need an explosives license to purchase it). Injecting a small amount into the airflow at the intake would increase the amount of detonation that you'd get upon combustion, but at the same time, it produces water vapor which might not be good for the engine.
And then there's the two main problems. Too much hydrogen and you wouldn't have enough oxygen in the mix to get detonation (or you'd get too much detonation and damage the pistons) and the problem of having essentially a high pressure bomb sitting somewhere in your vehicle.
Mythbusters showed it was possible, but I don't think I'd want to do it in my vehicle....
And then there's the two main problems. Too much hydrogen and you wouldn't have enough oxygen in the mix to get detonation (or you'd get too much detonation and damage the pistons) and the problem of having essentially a high pressure bomb sitting somewhere in your vehicle.
Mythbusters showed it was possible, but I don't think I'd want to do it in my vehicle....
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02-06-2008 | 09:54 AM
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RE: I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
Some guy took a container, like a winshield washer container, and built a electrolosis machine. It uses two steel probes (insert joke here as Argon would say) that are positioned at the right distance apart inside this container. Add water to is and seal the lid. You connect two wires to the probes, wire it to a resistor and wire the resistor to your battery (and a switch to shut the current to the probes off). Under the right conditions the electricity in the container will turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen. (The guy sectioned off the container into two chambers cause positive current produces oxygen and the negative produces hydrogen or vice versa therefore you can single out the hydrogen which would give you the best results) The hydrogen side had a vacuum line "t" screwed into it and spliced into the vehicle's vaccume line. The another vaccume line was pipped into his intake on his car.
So here is how it worked:
1. Turn on the switch and the water bubbles into oxygen and hydrogen.
2. The vaccume from the car will blow air into the container.
3. (If done correctly) the pressure in the container will push the hydrogen out into the intake.
4. Hydrogen will mix with oxygen and gas and burn in the combustion camber in a way similar to having octane booster in the fuel.
5. An added bonus is the vehicle will compensate for the richer mixture but backing off the fuel to air ratio.
6. AND hydrogen burns cooler than gas and oxygen alone so it will cool the heads.
7. AND it will supposedly clean the intake system out as the high pressure hydrogen and oxygen will produce more steam which will safely clean the engine. Will it cause rust? Don't think so as the areas that are effected will still be injected with gasoline.
PROS: The guy who did this used an escort and got 58-60 mpg on the highway at 55mph. The system runs entirely on water and if done correctly will be a low maintenance modification. He has been running the car like this with no adverse effects, and has noticed that even when the water runs out of water the car still runs a little better than it did before the system was in place. But the car was old and probably needed cleaned out anyway. Hydrogen burns colder than gasoline and unless you put your hand in the middle of the flame, a hydrogen fire will not burn your skin. As long as you use a plastic container (not a metal or glass one) IF the hydrogen blows up, it will do nothing more than make a mess. It will not produce enough hydrogen to blow the intake apart on your vehicle. The guy filled the container back up twice for every fill up at the gas station. BMW is experimenting with hydrogen in gasoline engines and has found no major issues with safty or mechanics.
CONS: The machine will be warm enough to melt ice in the winter time, but it will take forever to get warm enough so it might be useless in the cold weather. The machine will take A LOT of trial an error to get it right. Our trucks will need A LOT more hydrogen than the escort to make a difference. So you need a much bigger "machine" to make a dent in your gas mileage. A scanner or programmer might be needed as our trucks are more sensitive than a 95 escort and MIGHT (not sure on this) need tuned to make the best of it or at least codes cleared occasionally. Must use filtered/pure (not tap) water to prevent hard water deposits where they shouldn't be. If the current is too high, like if you hooked it right up to your battery with no resistor, the probes will only last a month or two and then you have to rebuild it. Otherwise you can get 6 months to a year out of the thing (maybe more).
But this summer with gas prices projected to reach 3.50 a gallon, I'll be happy if I get 2 more mpg with this damn thing.
So here is how it worked:
1. Turn on the switch and the water bubbles into oxygen and hydrogen.
2. The vaccume from the car will blow air into the container.
3. (If done correctly) the pressure in the container will push the hydrogen out into the intake.
4. Hydrogen will mix with oxygen and gas and burn in the combustion camber in a way similar to having octane booster in the fuel.
5. An added bonus is the vehicle will compensate for the richer mixture but backing off the fuel to air ratio.
6. AND hydrogen burns cooler than gas and oxygen alone so it will cool the heads.
7. AND it will supposedly clean the intake system out as the high pressure hydrogen and oxygen will produce more steam which will safely clean the engine. Will it cause rust? Don't think so as the areas that are effected will still be injected with gasoline.
PROS: The guy who did this used an escort and got 58-60 mpg on the highway at 55mph. The system runs entirely on water and if done correctly will be a low maintenance modification. He has been running the car like this with no adverse effects, and has noticed that even when the water runs out of water the car still runs a little better than it did before the system was in place. But the car was old and probably needed cleaned out anyway. Hydrogen burns colder than gasoline and unless you put your hand in the middle of the flame, a hydrogen fire will not burn your skin. As long as you use a plastic container (not a metal or glass one) IF the hydrogen blows up, it will do nothing more than make a mess. It will not produce enough hydrogen to blow the intake apart on your vehicle. The guy filled the container back up twice for every fill up at the gas station. BMW is experimenting with hydrogen in gasoline engines and has found no major issues with safty or mechanics.
CONS: The machine will be warm enough to melt ice in the winter time, but it will take forever to get warm enough so it might be useless in the cold weather. The machine will take A LOT of trial an error to get it right. Our trucks will need A LOT more hydrogen than the escort to make a difference. So you need a much bigger "machine" to make a dent in your gas mileage. A scanner or programmer might be needed as our trucks are more sensitive than a 95 escort and MIGHT (not sure on this) need tuned to make the best of it or at least codes cleared occasionally. Must use filtered/pure (not tap) water to prevent hard water deposits where they shouldn't be. If the current is too high, like if you hooked it right up to your battery with no resistor, the probes will only last a month or two and then you have to rebuild it. Otherwise you can get 6 months to a year out of the thing (maybe more).
But this summer with gas prices projected to reach 3.50 a gallon, I'll be happy if I get 2 more mpg with this damn thing.
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02-07-2008 | 08:10 AM
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RE: I need to try this, Im still itching to do it.
Here is a link to a site that explains this process more in depth. Its a cheezy web site but it does explain how to do this. Instead os using the metal probe, this site recommend using metal coils since they produce more resistance with less current. If someone tries on their truck, pelase post your results.
http://easywatercar.com/2books.htm?hop=2f1y47fb
http://easywatercar.com/2books.htm?hop=2f1y47fb