99 7.3 in a 78 F250
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99 7.3 in a 78 F250
So Im just trying to gather AS MUCH info as I can before I go about this. Fabrication isnt an issue for this project so just throwing that out there. My 78 frame is in pretty rough shape but I may just plate the entire frame once the body and 400bb are off and out. I have a buddy with a wrecked 99 7.3 I can get for cheap.
Or I could use the 99 ext. cab short bed frame. The wheelbase is 6" longer tho so I'd have to move the rear leaves forwards 6" if the frame warrants it. That may not be the best way to go though.
Parts... For anyone who has done this:
Will the 78 big block radiator cool the 7.3? The radiator and intercooler are crushed in the 99.
What do I need to do for wiring. Once I pull the engine harness and computer out will the computer just need 12v from the ignition and a constant 12v to work? Anyone have a wiring diagram out there? I have built my own FI system from a tbi chevy for my cj so I have done a swap kind of like this wiring wise but I had a diagram to help. Anyone know of one?
What do I have to do to make the 78 speedo work with the 99 transfer? Anything special or will it screw in? Or was it electronic in 99? If thats the case, will the 79 transfer mate with the 7.3 trany?
Also how was setting up the shifting linkage for the trany? Any secrets that you guys have learned that you can share to make it a little easier? Hopefully its a manual transfer in the 99 not electronic.
Suspension: what has to be done for the front springs to take the 7.3? Some helpers? Addaleafs? Will the ones from the 99 fit in that truck?
Thanks!
Heres an example of what I'm looking for for a diagram. Its what I used for the chevy harness.
Binder Planet Forums
A1- grn/wht- this wire is used to energize the fuel pump relay.
A2- not used
A3- not used
A4- gry- to EGR relay.(optional) This is a ground from the ECM to control the EGR relay.
A5- brn/wht- SES(service eng soon) light. This is a ground to turn on the light.
A6- pnk/blk- switched 12v from the ignition relay.
A7- not used
A8- orn- ALDL Serial data. This is your ALDL pin E data for your lap top.
A9- wht/blk- ALDL pin B diag mode. When jumpered to ground will set the ECM to ALDL diagnostic mode.
A10- brn- VSS speed sensor signal to the ECM (optional)
A11- ppl or blk- MAP sensor ground.
A12- blk/wht- System ground. Can be tied with D1. Goes to engine ground.
Just to clear the confusion on which pins are grounds I have taken a C3 ECM apart and labeled the pin locations on the plugs.
If you look you can see that D1 and D2 are solder connected and A11 and A12 are also connected.
So if either one of the two, example: D1 and A11 are grounded the other one will be. D2 and A12.
SEE PIC BELOW
B1- orn- 12v fused from battery. I use an inline fuse on this. It also ties into C16.
B2- tan/wht- Fuel pump signal from the relay. This one ties into several places, the fuel pump, the relay, and the ecm. When the relay is on it sends 12v thru this wire to turn on the fuel pump, at the same time it tells the ECM the fuel pump is on.
B3- blk/red- EST reference.
B4- not used
B5- ppl/wht- EST high reference
B6- not used
B7- blk- ESC signal This is the knock sensor signal to the ECM. The knock sensor circuit is optional. If not used, tie this wire to C14 the 5v reference. This will fool the system sometimes but you will need to program the chip to prevent the SES light from coming on.
B8- dk grn- AC signal. This tells the ECM that the AC is turned on. This can be used to set the idle speed higher when you turn the AC on. I use it to increase the idle when using the compressor for on board air. Same thing!! Just tie it to the wire going to the AC clutch.
B9- not used
B10-orn/blk- Park/Neutral sw. This is optional but I have hooked it into the park sw on the tranny. It tells the ECM when you are in Pk or N. It can be used to give a slight adjustment to idle speed when switching from park to drive and back.
B11- not used
B12- not used
C1- not used
C2- not used
C3- IAC- Idle air control
C4- IAC
C5- IAC
C6- IAC -The ECM controls the IAC motor. It adjust the amount of air that is bypassed around the butterflies to adjust the idle speed.
Note: (For the IAC pins C5 and C6 are reversed on the 454 vs the SBC so swap those 2 pins if using a 454 TB with the bolt on IAC.)
C7- not used
C8- not used
C9- ppl/wht- Starter crank signal. Goes to the small terminal of the starter. The stock scout wire is white that goes there. Tells the ECM you are trying to start the engine.
C10- yel- Temp sender signal
C11- lt grn- Map sensor signal
C12- (1228746 only) IAT/MAT sensor
C13- dk blu- TPS sensor signal
C14- gry- 5v reference signal to map and TPS.
C15- grn- inj B ground signal. Most systems do not use this. It was used on some of the bigger engines to share the load of the injector signal.
C16- orn- fused 12v tied to B1
D1- blk/wht- System ground, ties to A12 and engine.
D2- blk- Sensor ground. To eng block or head.
D3- not used
D4- wht- EST control
D5- tan/blk- EST bypass. This is the wire that has a plug near the distr that you disconnect to set your timing.
D6- Tan- O2 ground to engine.
D7- ppl- O2 sensor signal
D8- D13 not used
D14- lt grn- Injector B ground signal
D15- blu- optional injector A ground signal
D16- blu- Injector A ground signal
Or I could use the 99 ext. cab short bed frame. The wheelbase is 6" longer tho so I'd have to move the rear leaves forwards 6" if the frame warrants it. That may not be the best way to go though.
Parts... For anyone who has done this:
Will the 78 big block radiator cool the 7.3? The radiator and intercooler are crushed in the 99.
What do I need to do for wiring. Once I pull the engine harness and computer out will the computer just need 12v from the ignition and a constant 12v to work? Anyone have a wiring diagram out there? I have built my own FI system from a tbi chevy for my cj so I have done a swap kind of like this wiring wise but I had a diagram to help. Anyone know of one?
What do I have to do to make the 78 speedo work with the 99 transfer? Anything special or will it screw in? Or was it electronic in 99? If thats the case, will the 79 transfer mate with the 7.3 trany?
Also how was setting up the shifting linkage for the trany? Any secrets that you guys have learned that you can share to make it a little easier? Hopefully its a manual transfer in the 99 not electronic.
Suspension: what has to be done for the front springs to take the 7.3? Some helpers? Addaleafs? Will the ones from the 99 fit in that truck?
Thanks!
Heres an example of what I'm looking for for a diagram. Its what I used for the chevy harness.
Binder Planet Forums
A1- grn/wht- this wire is used to energize the fuel pump relay.
A2- not used
A3- not used
A4- gry- to EGR relay.(optional) This is a ground from the ECM to control the EGR relay.
A5- brn/wht- SES(service eng soon) light. This is a ground to turn on the light.
A6- pnk/blk- switched 12v from the ignition relay.
A7- not used
A8- orn- ALDL Serial data. This is your ALDL pin E data for your lap top.
A9- wht/blk- ALDL pin B diag mode. When jumpered to ground will set the ECM to ALDL diagnostic mode.
A10- brn- VSS speed sensor signal to the ECM (optional)
A11- ppl or blk- MAP sensor ground.
A12- blk/wht- System ground. Can be tied with D1. Goes to engine ground.
Just to clear the confusion on which pins are grounds I have taken a C3 ECM apart and labeled the pin locations on the plugs.
If you look you can see that D1 and D2 are solder connected and A11 and A12 are also connected.
So if either one of the two, example: D1 and A11 are grounded the other one will be. D2 and A12.
SEE PIC BELOW
B1- orn- 12v fused from battery. I use an inline fuse on this. It also ties into C16.
B2- tan/wht- Fuel pump signal from the relay. This one ties into several places, the fuel pump, the relay, and the ecm. When the relay is on it sends 12v thru this wire to turn on the fuel pump, at the same time it tells the ECM the fuel pump is on.
B3- blk/red- EST reference.
B4- not used
B5- ppl/wht- EST high reference
B6- not used
B7- blk- ESC signal This is the knock sensor signal to the ECM. The knock sensor circuit is optional. If not used, tie this wire to C14 the 5v reference. This will fool the system sometimes but you will need to program the chip to prevent the SES light from coming on.
B8- dk grn- AC signal. This tells the ECM that the AC is turned on. This can be used to set the idle speed higher when you turn the AC on. I use it to increase the idle when using the compressor for on board air. Same thing!! Just tie it to the wire going to the AC clutch.
B9- not used
B10-orn/blk- Park/Neutral sw. This is optional but I have hooked it into the park sw on the tranny. It tells the ECM when you are in Pk or N. It can be used to give a slight adjustment to idle speed when switching from park to drive and back.
B11- not used
B12- not used
C1- not used
C2- not used
C3- IAC- Idle air control
C4- IAC
C5- IAC
C6- IAC -The ECM controls the IAC motor. It adjust the amount of air that is bypassed around the butterflies to adjust the idle speed.
Note: (For the IAC pins C5 and C6 are reversed on the 454 vs the SBC so swap those 2 pins if using a 454 TB with the bolt on IAC.)
C7- not used
C8- not used
C9- ppl/wht- Starter crank signal. Goes to the small terminal of the starter. The stock scout wire is white that goes there. Tells the ECM you are trying to start the engine.
C10- yel- Temp sender signal
C11- lt grn- Map sensor signal
C12- (1228746 only) IAT/MAT sensor
C13- dk blu- TPS sensor signal
C14- gry- 5v reference signal to map and TPS.
C15- grn- inj B ground signal. Most systems do not use this. It was used on some of the bigger engines to share the load of the injector signal.
C16- orn- fused 12v tied to B1
D1- blk/wht- System ground, ties to A12 and engine.
D2- blk- Sensor ground. To eng block or head.
D3- not used
D4- wht- EST control
D5- tan/blk- EST bypass. This is the wire that has a plug near the distr that you disconnect to set your timing.
D6- Tan- O2 ground to engine.
D7- ppl- O2 sensor signal
D8- D13 not used
D14- lt grn- Injector B ground signal
D15- blu- optional injector A ground signal
D16- blu- Injector A ground signal